Tuesday, September 30, 2008
Test Questions for Tomorrow?
Hey folks! I hope you all had a productive day. I'm still here watching financial markets, but it doesn't look like we'll get anything new until Thursday at the earliest. Also on your minds is likely the test for tomorrow. I'm going to open the blog right now for you to begin studying collectively as a group. I won't be around my computer from 7pm until between 9:30 and 10pm, but feel free to use the blog to study together, and then I'll answer any final questions you may have.
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what is the influence of persian cultural/practices on islamic civilization?
Besides the veiling, what other things did Persia influence in the Arab world?
Didn't a lot of Arabic literature come from Persia? Like, making books for reading and teaching and stuff.
Persia also had a lot of influence on Government. The Arabic empire adopted the Persian techniques of governing such a large land.
thanks, wat about the dehli sultanate?
the big deal regarding the delhi sultanate was its ineffectiveness, largely due to having no solid bureaucracy ever in place. also, the reality is clear that this is a muslim government in a majority hindu society.
ok thanks.
WHat are the methods of spread/conversion of Islam in Southeast Asia?
one word: trade. remember, in the case of se asia, it just made good economic sense for many to convert to islam, especially considering the fact that the sharia lays out procedures regarding business transactions.
What was the theory of Ibn Khaldun
-Kevin Shin
see the blog post from thursday the 25th. folks, remember how important i have stated khaldun's theory is to this class. if you haven't done so already, (1) READ THE DOCUMENT, (2) POST A THOUGHT (27 COMMENTS IS FAR FROM ACCEPTABLE AND RIDICULOUS! I HAVE 120 STUDENTS AND THEREFORE IF I ASK FOR ALL TO POST ON A PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, THERE SHOULD BE 120 POSTS!), (3) PRINT IT OUT AND MAKE IT PART OF YOUR NOTEBOOK.
So to answer the ibn khaldun one, even if u are reading the doucument..his theory of three generations..1st generation is nomadic and stable..2nd generation is urban yet nomadic, but gettig away from nomadic..3rd generation is totally urban and wealthy and causes problems and revolts which bring it to an end..am i right..
yes, you're right, but dig deeper into the ATITUDES he describes of the people and their government of each generation.
can u explain?
what do u mean when you say intellectual contributions of Islamic civilization?
What were the Mawali??
i think its about medicine and math and things like that, i also need an overview on that..anyone wanna explain that to me and jane?
What was the Delhi Sultanate?
the mawali were the the people who converted to islam after they were conquered..but i think they still had to pay the tax.
I have in my notes that the Muwali were non arab converts to islam.
they did only during the umayyad period
for cultural contributions, refer back to the video that i showed you guys
so let me get ths straight, i just wanna check if im right:
the arabs got the number system from the indians.
they created the first real medicine thing
is there more...
Didnt the Islamic people learn to calculate the stars or something so that they could face Mecca when they pray?
Hey- ok just to make sure I have this correct- The early policy of conversion to Islam was that it was not forced or even reccommemded because non-muslims had to pay the jizya? And if they did convert the tax collectors (sorry I can't think of the word off the top of my head, I don't have my notes on me...) lost the tax from those people. Is that the only thing or is there somethig that I'm totally overlooking?
thats what i also got...
For the Characteristics of Pre-Islamic Bedouin Society. All we really need to know was that it was Polytheistic. Right?
i think the converts had to still pay during the ummayad period, but thy didn't during the abbassid?
yeah, preety much...that's what i put.
did the Sultans of Delhi have centralized administration/government? What type of government/bureaucracy did they have?
What were the attitudes towards slavery in the Abbasid Empire?
Sorry if im asking alot of questions. I've been really tired lately so i couldnt really focus. Plus i have ap first period which doesnt help at all.
I got lots of stuff about The Inntlectual contributions of Islamic Civilization. They started writing books for learning, they used 0, created the first lines of latitude, had awseom hospitals, and used plants for medicine.
so for intellectual contributions of the Islamic civilization is it okay if i put down that:
1)they introduced new crops which led to varied diets and increased the population because the plants had extended growing seasons
2)recording of agricultural techniques into a agricultural manual which included irrigation, fertilization, and crop rotation
3)paper manufacture.
practically there was not a very organized gov. for the sultanate of delhi..they just had sultans govening parts of India and other places so they always were sorta split..
I didn't think about paper manufacture, but that's a good one.
Was it the Ummayads that were all about treasure, or the Abbasids?
the abbasids liked slavery from what i have, because i remember how slaves were guarding the harems as soldiers during this caliph's rule in the Abbasid.
it was the umayyads that were driven by the accumulation of booty
Mr. Prill,
What about the slavery thing? What did the Abbasids like about it? How was it dfrnt from the Umayyads?
for slaves in the Abbasid empire they got them from Africa. They really seemed to like having slaves.
Dar-al-islam is the "house of islam" its practically used to unify the islamic world, right? So is there anything deep in there that we need to know
dar-al-islam was mostly agricultural communities.
I jsut read some cool trade stuff:
The dar-al-islam really got into trade when they took over the sasanid empire and got all these huge maritime trading cities.
what were the early policies of conversion to Islam?
Nidhi-
They seemed to experiment a lot with growing food, and trading it. They made cotton a big textile industry and ppl started to have much richer diets b/c of them.
For the early policy of converting to Islam I just put that even if you converted you still had to pay the tax.
so how does that have to do with "house of islam"?
What's house of islam?
hey lora, about the convertion thing..that was only in the Ummayad, and in the abbasid those people didn't have to pay..sorry about me confusing you during class on that.
isn't that what dar al islam literally means?
That's cool.
Sufis tried to combine Hindiusm and Islam right? Like, they said they were all the same god?
Nidhi-
I'm not sure about dar-al-islam meaning.
yeah..i still dont get what u were trying to say before.
oh ok..
That's what I wrote down about them.
Mr. Prill, if you're there, would you tell us about the dar-al-islam?
that'll be helpful..alot
so in the abbasid empire converts to islam didn't have to pay, or non muslims didn't have to pay?
converts to islam..
I am still confused on the beliefs of the shias and the sunnis. Is this right, the shias only believed the Ali was the first caliph because he was the first blood relative to Muhammad?
huh?
stop confusing me !!!:(
The Shia's ALWAYS wanted the caliph to be a blood relative to Muhammad, no matter who it was. And until Ali died, yes, they wanted him. Sunni thought that the caliph should be most qualified. The abbasids I beleive were the first to get really ticked of at the Shia.
shias believed that a blood relative of muhammed should be caliph, so they supported Ali at that time..but later they supported other people who were blood relatives of muhammed too.
sorry if my grammar syinks.
I typed that really fast.
wait lora..the shia started duringthe ummayad empire, and they had this whole conflict with them..then the shia supported the abbasids to go against the ummayads because their leader Abu Bakr claimed to be a descendent of muhammed, and so they supported him at first.. but later it got to be like the ummayad..
my grammer and spelling isn't any better than yours..
im gonna go eat..ill be back in a bit..
tell me about the comparison of Islam/Christianity/Judaism..
i know that they are all monotheistic but what else?
I'm back, what I miss?
Whoops, sorry about the abbasid/ummayad mix up.
Jane- they all beleived that they worshipped the same god and they all respected each other's doctrine.
like Christianity Islam is local but so simple=spread rapidly
like Judaism they are very close and have a direct relationship with God.
Unlike Christianity there is no middle man between God and Islam
What did you guys put for the IMPORTANCE OF BAGHDAD and URBANIZATION?
Blake-
I put that Baghdad was the height of the empire. The empire itself eventually became very rich, an overdose of luxury mostly from trade.
if that makes sense...
where the first three caliphs blood related?
good question, I can't find out.
Anyone?
no they weren't blood related, cause they all got assasinated by the guy who wanted to take over, so im pretty sure they were not blood related.
blake-
i put that the abbasid empire moved the capital from demascus(ummayad) to Baghdad, and since it was built from nothing it was considered very impportant, and it was the most wealthy in its days..
hello?..anyone there?
All right, I'm done for the night. going to bed soon.
Good Luck everyone!
for methods of spread/conversion of Islam. where did they spread to? in SE Asia?
70 questions. right?
yeah SE Asia..
its only 8:21 how can u feel sleepy, unless if she's already off..
ok..if no one is up them im going, bye..i think im talking to myself..
Hi, is anyone here?
what are the attitudes like in the 3 generations?
Is their any importance about the Caliphate of Crodaba?
-David Recchia
In the first generation there is a very communal/ look out for eachother to survive attitude
In second there is an increase on self and the family.
This becomes more prevalent in stage 3.
From the document I got the sense that somewhere in between 2 and 3 that the little man was the one working, not gritty work, but exhausting work (think offices) to keep the empire going while the rulers were leading luxurious lives. Rebellion occurs. Int Prob + Invasion = collapse.
No I don't even remeber Cordoba, if it's India i think that's more for the next test material.
yay people r here! hi! im back!
Where did we read on attitudes towards slavery?
who's corodoba? oh..i have a question..who was the caliph during the abbassid period that started the harem.
Idon't remember reading about slavery
can anyone explain the religious beliefs in Bedouin Society???
during the abbassid period we talked about slaves a bit and the whole harem story showed us that there were slaves.
I'm not sure who the first one was. But we learned how it created the civil wars and unstableness for Al-Rashid
but that was on the study guide, what do we need to know?
ok so, a sultan is the RELIGIOUS leader? of the muslims, islamic world, right?
and the caliph is NOt religious? just the ruler ...during both the umayyad and abbasid?
during the bedouin society the religion was practically polytheistic, and that's what seems to be the more important thing. the beduoin society just if u r wondering was what the society was called before islam..i think..but that seems right.
the bedouin society were animists and montheistic if i am not mistaken, but they weren't very religiously devoted.
my bad, i have written down monotheistic.
okay thanks :)
Nicole it's flip-flopped.
The caliph is like the equivalent of the pope, but has military and governmental powers.
The sultan is a regional leader.
Sultan is something I wanna ask Mr. P about.
what did u wanna ask?
because caliphs came after muhammad and he was considered the only prophet.... but caliphs were still like religious leaders?
"they both are religious, the sultans i think were used to control the hindus..that didn't work out too well."
Are you sure? I thought they were mainly political leaders in Arabia. Are you thinking of Sufi missionaries in India, who converted a nuber of people, but not large compared to the majority of Hindus?
yeah, sort of..but weren't jesus and abraham also considered prophets and muhammed the final prophet?
in the book it calls caliph "deputy"
They were not divine, more like overseers.
a-ha! thank u!
you know, sultan is not in the back of the book...!
i thought that sultans were religious too. but idk for sure
yeah alec..i didn't mix them with anyone but i just messed up..my bad.. sorry..
When was sultan introduced?
At the fall of Abassid?
Were they the leaders who used caliphs as puppets?
That's what I wanted to ask Mr. P.
wait..actually im not sure!
i think that's right Nidhi; muhammad was the final prophet. and jesus was considered a prophet too to the Muslims, but were they viewed in the same way? does that mkae sense?
i didn't know that the sultans were the peope who used caliphs as puppets..that's a good question..mmhhmm
I thought it was before the abbasid. because I remember him mentioning that the guy with the big hat...-um- Harun al-Rashid was not a sultan. like in aladin.
but we had already mentioned sultans
Alec,
I remember him talking about that! someone came in and used the calpihs as puppets but now that you mention it, i don't remember who took over and where.
i think they were viewed the same..idk for sure though..but i guess muhammed was more important cause he was the final prophet, which somehow made him more important, and he brought the religion to them, so maybe thaat's why?
what was the bad guy in aladdin supposed to be?
alec-
it was near the end of the abbasid empire and they used them (caliphs) as puppets.
Found it,
Saljuk Turks from central Asia introduced Sultans and were the true source of power for two centuries before Mongols arrived.
that sounds right i think....because i think that the view muhammad as slightly more important. but i am not totally sure
abraham was not the main prophit, moses was.or I thought so. abraham was the father of issac and ishmael who later became fathers of jud. and arab.
but he in mentioned in all(?) books or just bible & Quran?
well abraham brought out the religion, moses just freed the jews..i remember asking mr.prill about that and he said they both were important but abraham was thought more higher.
I missed the fall of the abbasid empire. is there something to do with the Turks that I am missing?
I think Moses and them are in the Torah too.... because isn't that the first testemant of the Bible? and Moses is in the first testament. But i may have the Quaran and Torah mixed up
nidhi-
o, ok
well, the abbassid empire was always included in civil wars because of Al-Rashid's sons who would fight for the throne, and so while they were busy fighting, i think the mongols came in and took over.
hey does anyone know if we got our reading quizes back this week?
I don't have any of mine. but i wish we had them.
i checked for mine too but i didn't have them so im pretty sure we didn't get the quizzes back,
jud.=moses =torah *abr.*
-old testament
christ.=jesus =bible
-references from both
islam.=muhammad =Quran
yeah, they would've helped alot to go over how the questions can be.
Before the Mongols invaded the Seljuk Turks invaded. The caliphs still existed but they were controlled by the Seljuk-introduced sultans. They were in power for about 200 years until Monols brought down the Abbasids.
ohhh..thanks..that makess sense.
hey ppl. ^^
hey jane!
wow awesome thanks
the turks were nomads too? or were they somewhere else at the time and saw all the chaos and jumped in?
yo jane.
both right, alec?
Jane, ready for chemistry quiz?
I'm gonna study that a little more for now.
Yeah both are right
well im gonna go now and chill to sleep..
hey guys....
harems were the women that the ruler or whatever kept in one room incl. wives and etc... right? and the veiling was for womens rights?
is that right?
think i remember him talking about how they accepted the others as profets, but if muhamad contradicted wat was previously said, Momo won. he was the "seal"...
my headache is coming back; I think i'll get off. goodnight all.
and goodluck
:)
dont strain your brains...(that rhymed)
noooooooooooooooo
dont leave me !!!
T.T
yes, you are correct
ok.
omg
we get to start africa! awesome!!
yes jane. herems were the women "used" in the palaces...women were vailed (persian trait)
haha... ^^
thanx.
I forgot who mentioned the Caliphate of Cordoba, but he was supposedly the only survivor of the Abbasid dinner party/assassination thing. He fled to Spain in the 1400s and kept Spain in contact w/ the Muslim world.
and does anyone know who originally started the harem?
It was Jasmin's dad right? (:
the Al Rashid guy?
Ok I'm still confused about the dar-al-islam.
I think the harems were just created because of the need to house the caliph's wives and such in them. No one specifically started them.
Dar-Al-Islam.
"House of Islam"
I think it's basically.. religious security. Like how they can worship freely in certain regions.
Dar al Islam refers to expansion and territory that is considered part of this Islam world.
alec, you still here?
wow so i was gonna ask a question about the dar-al-islam but never mond after reading the 161 messages (very time consuming yet extreamly informative) ive come to relize i dnt need u mr. prill lol i can just read over the blog lol jp but wow i def. thnk im ready for this 1 ps i hate how like every topic can lead on to a bunch of things you could say about it lol im more of a black and white type of person and no that wasnt a racist comment lol
just playin..didn't refresh..so i dint see your comment. Anyway were the buyids and the Seljuk Turks the same thing?
never mind i found the answer
hope you guys are ready for tomorrow, i'm just getting to reading this.
1) harems are places, not people, invented by the abbasids
2) the buyids (they were ethnically persian) actually were the first to introduce the title of sultan, and said sultan basically controlled the caliph still in place as a puppet. the buyids and turks are not the same, the seljuk turks take over about a century later. they were nomadic, but from inside the boundaries of the abbasid empire, not outside.
wow im gon 2 bed so night every1 good luck and chill im sure if your on here your probly tring so i think youll do fine
wait i lied mr. prill the one u said to print out put in our notes nd every1 post on is that the 1 tlkn about like the 3 generations?!?!? ps me nd my sister have our own laptops now so no more annoying sister on youtube all day yyyaaaaayyyy
what exactly is the bedouin period? is it like when they were nomads?
For the test next week...are we going to get a map to study from for the trade routes??
yes you will
In class today you said that we will need to know three types of transportation. does that include the camels too. or would the two types of camels go under the animals used?
camels are forms of transportation
so when you said we need to know 3 animals need, would they be included, or not?
i said you need to know three forms of transportation. camels would be included in this.
ok so i dont need to know animals needed, the ones i need to know belong in the transportation category. Gotcha ... Sorry i just misunderstood.
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