Chingis Khan and his soldiers relied on methods of fighting on horseback that, for the most part, had been pioneered during the first millennium B.C.E. by the Xiongnu and other Central Asian nomads. From the time of the Xiongnu onward, the military success of the nomads was based on the use of small but powerful compound bows, mass-produced socketed arrowheads made of iron, and improved saddles that provided stability for the riders. Early in the Common Era, the nomads added the stirrup to their horseriding paraphernalia.An additional reason for the effectiveness of the nomad cavalries was their ability to fight as a cohesive force, a trait that was clearly evident among the Xiongnu and the Mongols. Perhaps the occasional emergence of an unusually talented leader such as Mo-tun among the Xiongnu or Chingis Khan was the decisive factor in bringing unity to the chronically feuding nomads. It may be that the anonymous Persian book illustrator who painted the above picture of Chingis Khan leading the Mongols in battle meant to capture some of the cohesion that the Great Khan was able to establish among his soldiers.
While studying the painting, I would like you all to think about and discuss the following: What military equipment is illustrated in the painting? Did the Mongols have the ability to produce all the equipment illustrated in this painting, or was it necessary for them to obtain some of it from sedentary peoples? In what ways has the artist depicted skill in horseriding? Finally, does the artist seem to have been biased, either toward or against the Mongols? Is this painting an example of pro-Mongol propaganda? PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO STUDY AND RESPOND TO THIS PAINING AS IT WILL BE ALLOWED AS ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE IN THE COURTROOM ON MONDAY. Now your thoughts...
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From this painting, i can tell that the mongols were superior on horseback compared to the persians. The artist depicted group of mongols are way more organized. The persians are unorganized, and they are running in fear.
Um, it looks like the mongols are holding primitive guns of some sort. and the persians have just swords. Also below the red horse, what is that. It looks as if it could be meat or ham. I know we talked about how they used there enemies as shields but is that whats being depicted. I think this painting shows favoritsm towards the mongols in a sense that the persians look extremely clueless. I don't think they were that unskilled at warcraft...where they?
This picture really shows the brutailty of the mongols. it shows just how hard they can come at you. the persians are shown turning back on the horses in retreat and the mongols still look like they are nowhere close to stopping the attacks. also, the mongols have their shields out to protect them from harmful weapons comming at them. the persians are defenseless and vulnerable to any kind of attack.
this painting show that the weapons of the Mongols are way better by a long stretch. they also were the wonderful masters on horseback. they're tumens are the best way to fight. this is the most accomplished way in fighting in battles and conquerring land. the persians were very unorganized and scattered on the other hand. THe fear of the tough Mongols scared the Persians, that is why they are running away.
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well, this is definately pro-mongol propoganda. If the artist wasnt as biased, maybe they would have shown the others fighting back. Also, their horse riding skills arent necisarily depicted in an obvious way, but in the picture you can definately tell that they are better, by looking at the way the mongols look, compared to the man who has dropped his helmet and shield.
I think the weapons in the picture were primarily not from the Mongols. I think this shows the ability of the Mongols to learn from other societies. The mongols were great conquerers but they were also amart enough to take in parts of other socieies' culture and technology to use for their advantage.
From this painting, I noticed that the Mongols had guns? And more "enhanced" weapons. & The Persians just have swords. I think that this painting makes the Mongols look very strong to their enemies, and a bit of propaganda to make themselves look good and strong.
I'm pretty sure that the Persians didnt suck at fighting.
this picture really shows that the mongols were good on horseback. i mean afterall they did start when they were little.
Looks like the mongols are showing their equestrian skills. They are wielding weapons, shields, and also throwing hams(which were probably diseased?) the Persians look as if they never expected this kind of attack coming from nomads(which they didn't).
this painting shows how the mongols were more advanced and the painter was probably a mongol fan
This painting makes the Mongols look far more organized and skilled than the persians. The Mongols also look like they have more advanced weapontry than the persians, who in my oppinion look clueless.
The fact that Mongolians were small in stature also have any effect on how fast they were on horseback, like a jockey, right Mr. Prill.
mr p werw they using those bamboo guns?
The Mongols looked liek they were really skillful on horseback since they learned how to ride at young ages. It looks they they used shields, long sticks(maybe swords or spheres), and ham(as a disease?). Well, it seems like they wee able to make their own weapons except for the shields because they pretty much look like they have the same shields as the persians. and the ham was probably some old, rotten food that they had that they did not eat. The artists of the painting shows that the Mongols the masters of equistrian.
looking at the painting, it shows the mongols using what it looks like, guns. they also use sheilds and swords if these are supposed to be the mongols. having the mongols on horses while they are fighting shows how skilled these mongols really were and how they are able to successfully beat and conquer the people that they did. i would say that the person who painted this was for the mongols and on their side because having them on horses while fighting shows their strengths which would most likely represent someone who was for the mongols.
this proves that the mongols were very skilled on horseback, and the persians are a lot more unorganized that them!
The shields that they are using don't look very legit. They are very small and probably easy go around, but it is a big enough element to give the society with them an advantage. Another factor that gave the nomads an advantage was the actual saddles that were used on the horses
I can't really make out who is who. But i can tell that the mongols are dominating, with their skill on hrseback and great weaponary that was very high tech. this artist depicts the mongols definatly outsmarting the persians. i think in the front that is a mongol chasing a persian down and trying to hook him with his staff, which shows the fear of the persians at the time.
From what I can tell, the Mongols and their choice of swords of weapons definitely worked. Like Prill has been saying in class, nomads didn't copy the settled in the weapons departments but the other way around. The Persians are retreating and seem very unorganized as opposed to the Mongols who look like battle and riding on horseback is a piece of cake to them.
Well i can't really tell whats going on in the top corner. there is some kind of symbol or something that is making it difficult to see. The Mongols look much more aggressive and had better skill than the Persians. Since the drawing is made by a Persian, most likely the painting was showing the Mongols as villains. They seemed shocked and scared running away. I'm pretty sure i would to if i was going to watch my life flash in front of my eyes. The tools they used were most likely made themselves since they were the ones to first use it successfully in battle. Instead of using technology for luxury, they got down to business and used it for war.
In this picture, the painter does a good job expressing the Mongols unmatched horseback skill. They came up with a new saddle with footholds that allowed them to stand up while riding. This made there accuracy and range of motion go way up. They are carrying little armor plates to once again be more flexible and lightweight. They also seem to be carrying some sort of long sword. I do not think that this was all made by Mongols because there weren't many craftsmen, artisans, or blacksmiths in that type of a society.
the artist of the painting, being persian, seems to depict a feeling of fearful respect for the mongols. the painting shows that they were skillful on horseback, as they were able to hold onto the horse with one hand and focus on fighting with the rest of their body. the persians on the other hand dont look as poised, and seem to be dropping items as they retreat. i think this couldve been used as pro-mongol propoganda, sending the message that the mongols were a force to be reckoned with and respected, or it couldve been used as anti-mongol propoganda, sending the message that the mongols were just barbaric savages who are only out to kill (tartar)... depending on the artist's view.
In the description of the picture it says it was painted by Persian, even though the Mongols are defeating the Persians which shows how much fear or respect the Persians had for the Mongols.
Correct me if im wrong but the mongols are on the right side, right? Well if it is, to me the picture depicts the mongols attacking while the Persian's seem to be retreating. i remember our class discussing the use of bamboo guns and exploding arrows. how come this picture doesnt show any? all i see are swords, shields, and hams ._.
The Mongols, looking at this definitely puts the "Tartars" into place. How stupid the Persians were.
But the Persians had guts, gotta give them that.
The Mongols look like they are being favored in this photo, but they were a stronger army buy the way that they could defeat other armys that were twice the size of them. Also they had shields and nicer wepons compared to the Persians who were still using swords.
They were using shields, swords, helmets, light armour, horses, and sattles and reigns for the horses in battle. I am suprised that I don't see any bows or arrows. What is with the random meat under the horse? The people don't look very fierce or scary...more colorful and relaxed, because a few men's swords are hanging over their shoulders and not pointed forward menacingly. I am not sure who is fighting whom in this picture? Or are they all headed to one place? Except that it looks like 2 people are running the opposite direction... Is that a gun they are holding?looks metal? maybe the other men have their swords raised in attact of so close... I cannot really tell. O! that is a gun because there is smoke coming out! The horses look very small compared to the men... I wonder if the artist is trying to show the more important features of the battle rather than accurate porportions of the battle. Woah! They are not even holding on to their horses. They are shown as great riders then.
(another late post...sorry)
I thought that the paintist was being biast towards the mongols. The mongols were very skilled with horseback and bow and arrow. As you see the enemy having arrows stuck in them. It looks like they do make their own weapons but alot of the times they develop and copy their opponents.
I would say that this is definitely pro- Mongol, so this painting is somewhat biased. The Mongols seem much more organized and skillful; they are occupying most of the painting. They seem to be using some sort of sticks, which I'm gonna go ahead and assume are guns, and horses to catch the Persians off guard. They also look like they threw meat at them, which I think must have been infected. Does this have anything to do with them throwing dead animals (rats i think) into the enemies rants to get them infected with the Plague?
This picture shows that the mongols were very skilled horse back riders and they had sorts of gun like weapons. That they were brutal fighters and attacked the other people.
from the painting u can tell that the mongols are used to horseback and the persians arent and they run scared out of there minds
it looks like the artist did not like the mongols because they're killing everyone in the painting! It makes the mongol look barbaric almost.
yea i clicked where it said click here and i got a weird web site. i dont think it was the right one. in fact im really sure it wasnt because it has absolutely nothing to do with mongols. and i dont want to put anything that would be innappropriate on the blog so i need to talk to you mr. prill to make sure that my computer is the only one that got linked to that web site
yikes, thanks very much for the heads up on that miss frere. i took that link off. it was correct at one time, but the link must have died and now it just links to the museum's website that the painting is in, which would be fine except for what's on the front page on the site. sorry about that.
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